Endgame on la Rambla: part 6

I am not going to write very much here. Sorry.  What happened today in Spain is now the lead story in the world’s press. And now I understand what makes a journalist different from a blogger. They carry on writing because the story is more important than the emotion they feel.

I can’ t write any more about this today. Too many people are upset.  Here’s a Spanish flag and some lovely donkeys.  Here’s hoping it’s all over in a week.


Postscript: 23.12

I don’t want to finish on a negative note tonight.  We go forward. Two positives:

1. I will continue writing a summary of the situation in English.  Tomorrow’s blog will be called Pandora’s Box

2. Discussing the situation tonight with the ex-mayor of Finestrat, Honorato Algado, he said to me “It will all be over in a week.”  He also agreed to be my sponsor when I apply for my Spanish citizenship (to remain a European citizen after Brexit.)

More tomorrow.  All of Spain is exhausted.  The cruelty of the Catalan nationalist mafia has been to open all the wounds from the pre-democratic period and set people against each other.

The people who provoked this must be arrested and put on trial for sedition. Most of Spain expects that.  I expect that. Goodnight and stop listening to the bleeding heart propaganda of selfish nationalism.  Remember tbe Balkans.  Goodnight.

Spain will get through this.  With law, inclusiveness, and above all adherence to the written Constitution.  Can the moaners an “remoaners” in UK please remember, you don’t have one. We do.

19 thoughts on “Endgame on la Rambla: part 6

  1. I very much doubt that it will be all over in a week …

    Today (Saturday) is liable to be another big day in Catalonia as Government forces start the heavier work of gaining control of the Institutions, and there will undoubtedly be Separatist resistance, and possibly violence will ensue (there was already a smidgeon of it last night).

    It would also seem to be very unlikely that the December 21st elections will take place normally ; instead, there’ll be all sorts of Separatist nonsense instead, at the very least calling on people to boycott them, but more likely we’ll see well before the run-up to those attempts to form a “government” and other such illegal entities, including, I saw last night, a plan to open an “embassy” in Madrid !!

    Lord knows what the Mossos will do — and will these Separatists try and create an army ? Their independence bid will be bound to failure if they don’t have one !

    Catalan society is already fractured — but there’s a genuine risk of a civil war if the Separatists are ideologically determined to do everything possible to uphold their cause …

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  2. Thanks for your developed points, Jabba. It is much too early to suggest anything about the direction this will go. I think it a mistake to call elections that early: political analysts had been predicting – if Article 155 was implemented – that elections would be at least six months later because a cooling off time would be needed. New blog coming up. There’s a lot to synthesize here.

    Now it is headline news in most countries, there is little point in me running the translation/synthesis of up-to-date Spanish news, as everyone can see what’s happening. I’ll avoid prediction too, as I couldn’t even successfully predict the fools were about to do it yesterday!

    What would be useful, I think, is some commentary on the range of Spanish political opinion and also the way local people are viewing this, here in the province of Alicante, which is in another autonomous “Catalan” speaking region: Valencia.

    That last statement of mine would start a fight in a bar immediately. The people of this region speak “Valenciano” and they insist it is not Catalan. It is more or less exactly the same! It is a dialect of Provencal (?) or a variant of the old mediaeval Languedoc romance language.

    HELP: Jabba, please give me some guidance on this: it’s more in your sphere of knowledge than mine. (Note to readers: Jabba is in the south of France.)


  3. Thanks, Jim and others for comments through the week (is that you Jean, coming in as “Anonymous again?) I have received some emails too. Incidentally, I’d prefer comments went directly into the blog here rather than emails: it would add to discussion.

    I always assume an email sent to me is a private communication, therefore I do not put comments received that way on the blog and there have been some good contributions, but sadly not on here for others to read!

    I have decided what to do with the blog today, now that Catalonia has gone from the ridiculous to the Pandora… I’ll hand writing of the blog over to Rubí for today. She usually contributes an occasional “Rubí Tuesday” blog, but I have olives to pick, more beans to plant, fence repairs and a blocked non-return valve in the chicken run water fountain to fix. Expect a Rubí Donkey Saturday Special later today… (I already wrote the title, “Pandora’s Box,” so she’ll just have to work with that.)


  4. It’s neither a dialect of Provençal nor of the so-called Langue d’Oc, but a Romance language that developed independently at about the same time as the other Romance languages.

    There was an Occitan proto-Romance dialect of Late Latin that these Languages developed from, and several others, so that they are related — but none are dialects of the others. The expression Langue d’Oc refers anyway to a group of languages and dialects of the South of France, playing their parts in the History of French, rather than to a single language as such. Even the modern term Occitan is approximative. The language spoken in Languedoc diverges from Provençal proper which diverges from Nissart and so on and so forth, a situation further complicated by the speaking of Catalan in South West France and various Genoese or Ligurian dialects in the South West, such as the Monegasque language for example, which is not directly related to Provençal.

    Catalan is however more closely related to Provençal/Occitan than to other Romance Languages, certainly.

    Technically, Valenciano is a dialect of Catalan rather than Catalan as such, linguistically. But there appear to be a sufficiently large number of vocabulary and grammar differences and specificities to Valenciano so that, combined with the general feeling in Valencia that Catalan and Valenciano are different (which shouldn’t be lightly dismissed), the two appear to be diverging ; the political and historical and cultural events in Catalonia since the 1930s and ongoing are likely to be reinforcing and accelerating the differentiation rather than mitigating it.

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  5. Thank you, Jabba. Readers can take that as definitive! I find that a really good and clear summary of the matter.

    Regarding Soraya Sáenz de Santamaría: that is exactly what I expected the first move would be, but a move that will infuriate the independentists, who see her as responsible for the “heavy handed” police action on 1 October.


  6. hmmmmmm — given that their are multiple Separatist parties, each with their own particular agenda, I actually doubt that they would all collectively boycott the December elections.

    It’s too ripe an opportunity for any of them to displace the Putsch Demon as the new Separatist leader in Parliament to ignore.

    If he can’t control the Police, the Guardia Civil, the Mossos, nor the Army, he’s straightforward dead in the water politically, no matter how crafty his rhetoric might sound to certain ordinary citizens.

    The Separatist Parties might win eventually, though I doubt that’s possible now — because if a genuine large majority in favour of Secession were to emerge from this disaster, after everyone’s had the chance to stop demonstrating, cool down, and think — then nobody, really, could stop it.

    But that’s a big IF.

    Hopefully going up the charts in these troubled times :


  7. You are forgiven for that one! Manolo Escobar is a great Benidorm hero and I am a fan! His Porompompero was one of those 1960s earworms we heard non-stop for two years in Ibiza in the those days. He died at his home in Benidorm exactly four years ago. In the late 1950s the Benidorm Song Festival was the means of promoting the town as a fashionable resort.

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  8. The Mossos in Catalonia are obeying their new boss, and apart from a particular security risk in regard to the Putsch Demon, they are no longer protecting the former Catalan leaders of the Executive. It’s hard to see what, if any, sort of power these Secessionists might realistically claim to have gained !!

    Meanwhile, officially, the Government will not attempt to impede any attempts by him or his Party to campaign for the 21st December elections.

    This whole business may be turning into a sensible compromise … though I’ve no doubt that some people will be facing long prison sentences, whilst others will carry on trying to destroy everything.


  9. I just looked up the History, including of the so-called “independence” of the County of Barcelona — the reality is that prior to the 1258 Treaty of Corbeil between the Kings of France and Aragon, the County of Barcelona, then Catalonia, was a vassal of the Carolingian Dynasty then the Kings of France, then after the signing of that Treaty, a vassal of the Kings of Aragon.

    The so-called mediaeval “independence” was in fact just the exact same sort of autonomy the region has today in the Kingdom of Spain. The degree of relative self-rule that the Catalans have had has been variable throughout History, but that self-rule has never constituted any genuine independence as such.

    The only genuinely independent Catalan States to have ever existed are the Principality of Andorra and — VERY briefly (1276-1279) — the independent Kingdom of Mallorca, which from 1279 became a vassal Kingdom under Aragon.

    Blog Editor’s note: This comment has been included in its entirety in the equusasinus.net blog Sunday 29/10/17

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  10. Carme Forcadell retains her position as Speaker of the Catalan Parliament ’til December 21st, despite the fact that Parliament has been dissolved.

    A transitory Parliamentary group will be constituted from the outgoing Parliament to manage ongoing current affairs and, including Forcadell, will be constituted of the Deputy Speaker José María Espejo-Saavedra (Ciudadanos), Secretary Anna Simó (Junts pel Sí), plus 19 MPs to be (s)elected by each Party : Junts pel Sí eight ; Ciudadanos and PSC, three each ; Catalunya sí que es Pot and PP, two each ; CUP one. All of these people will continue to receive their parliamentary salaries.

    Technically, their main job of controlling the executive during election periods will be non-existent, simply because there is no Catalan Executive ; so all they’ll have to do is manage Parliament itself, which has no work to do.

    But it’s an interesting first dilemma for the Separatists politically — it is Catalan Law itself that requires them to constitute this group not Spanish Law, but doing so would constitute the Catalan Parliament recognising its own dissolution by the Spanish Government.

    It is refreshing to see that the Spanish Government seems to be doing all in its power to ensure as much peaceful institutional normalcy as is still feasible in these very difficult circumstances. Softly softly catchee monkey … My guess is that there will be only a very small number of Catalan politicians arrested and charged with sedition or rebellion, though I doubt Sr Puigdemont will avoid that.

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